Re: GDP

REDSHEILD Mon Jun 21, 2010 12:43 pm

Detailed Union GDP:

GDP Total: 10,500,000,000
Tax: 35%
Pop: 1 million

Civil expenses:
Restoration of infrastructure in New York: 15% GDP, 1,575,000,000

Military costs:
Soldier pay: 14%, 1,550,000,000
Arms upkeep: 10%, 1050000000

Remaining GDP:
61%, 6325000000

All numbers in SF.

Caladin Mon Jun 21, 2010 12:49 pm

It might not stay that way for long. Currency's fluctuate. By the way, what about maintenance for military items?

xslipknot Mon Jun 21, 2010 12:53 pm

I believe you have my figures.

Xenophobe Mon Jun 21, 2010 1:06 pm

My posted military expenditures include wage which is 28000, the rest goes into upkeep and support programs, as well as accounting for wage differences.

REDSHEILD Mon Jun 21, 2010 1:15 pm

Caladin wrote:It might not stay that way for long. Currency's fluctuate. By the way, what about maintenance for military items?

I'll add in a percent for that, will probably be arbitrary though.

Vlaeder Mon Jun 21, 2010 10:42 pm

The tax rate of Novakarria is 18%. The tax rate is subject to change at any time if required by the Oligarchy to sustain governmental funds.

Currently, 1 Novan = 1 USD. The currency symbol for 1 Novan is Ŋ (Alt+0331).

Caladin Wed Jul 14, 2010 3:53 am

I just want to expand the results of the poll. I should have reopened this earlier, but I forgot all about this matter Embarassed

Sirix Wed Jul 14, 2010 5:42 am

I'm afraid I don't understand what the poll is asking.

Caladin Wed Jul 14, 2010 5:51 am

What you should have to include when you run your taxes, as in negatives.

ie. whether you should have a NHS system, a funded public transport system etc.

Sirix Wed Jul 14, 2010 5:58 am

Ahh I see, I didn't realize you could select more than one option.

Purple Wed Jul 14, 2010 6:35 am

How does this thing work?
For example, since the only thing we know we are paying differently from the average is the army, I think we should calculate it separately.

Like: (Population - army) * average * tax rate + army * army wages * tax rate.
Instead of: Population * average * tax rate

It somehow makes more sense to me don't you think?

Caladin Wed Jul 14, 2010 6:39 am

I suppose it does. Will include it for tax purposes in the future.

Caladin Wed Jul 14, 2010 6:41 am

Military - Should we have to pay for the military?
Propaganda - Should we include propaganda in the game?
Education - Should we have to fund a public education system and build schools?
Health - Should we have to fund a public health system?
Transport - Should there be a public transport system?
Import (positive) - Should we allow profits to be gained by trading with other nations?
Other (if other, please post it) - obvious

Purple Wed Jul 14, 2010 6:48 am

Well, since you are already asking, my votes are:

Military - Should we have to pay for the military?

Yes, but as I said in my last post.

Propaganda - Should we include propaganda in the game?

If you can think of what effects it would have.
Since other than braging rights I am unsure whow it would work.

Education - Should we have to fund a public education system and build schools?
Health - Should we have to fund a public health system?
Transport - Should there be a public transport system?

I think these and other similar expenses should be put into one category maybe called: Public Expenditures.

The cost should depend on the population and be expressed as a percentage like 100% being the country is doing its best to support the people (communist utopia) and 0% being the country does not care and the people have to fend for them self (medieval hellhole).

Import (positive) - Should we allow profits to be gained by trading with other nations?

Absoultely yes.

PS. I made a worksheet to calculate how much oil I am producing yearly.
If anyone is interested I could upload it for people to use.

Dementhrith Wed Jul 14, 2010 12:13 pm

Hmmm..... I might reconsiter my taxes now.....

Since I'm comunist, Every buisness is government owned, thus the government earns all profits.

National Gross Income
- Worker wages
- Material cost (Purchased from abroad)
- other expendures
= National Net Income....

Since everyone needs food, they reseive a stamp book that places how much a person can buy per month. The cost of these stamp books is deducted from worker income. So worker net income is low. The little money they have is eventualy spent for non-stamp items, thus giving back the goverment's money. Thus the goverment always gets its money back. Purchases outside of RoI (Goverment purchases usualy) are the only thing that decreses avalable money. But can be replaced/incressed by selling to other nations.

Medical plans, Education, Security is provided for civilians at govenment expence....

In all technicality, I hold unlimited funds (Like Purple once stated). I just have to wait for workers to return the money so I can pay them again.

As for the military... Soldiers are paid just like workers are. And spend just as they do when not at war. They make more money, but if a soldier dies the government saves money and recieves any cash they own.

I can only produce as much money is on hand, but with such money returns, everything is relitively cheap. as long as I don't overbuy international goods, I will remain positive in money.

So I guess I really have no tax rate. Just a lend and return policy...

Purple Wed Jul 14, 2010 2:25 pm

Exactly.
I think we have found the core of a communist nation.
Or to reiterate:

Given an unlimited amount of time and a stable infrastructure a communist nation can newer have any losses from supporting its people however it can also not hope to gain any profits from them as well.

As such, it has unlimited money for wages and social expenses and these don't factor in as either loss or gain, but in turn, the only source of income is going to be foreign trade.

All in all, its a big compromise.

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